ps. The words were cleverly chosen. These canons are as follows: ~~ That is why we have the Church, so that what looks good on the surface doesnt lead us astray. Its not wrong to go to a site where purported apparitions are occurring. There is very little dealing with specifics, just continuous harping on Lenons decree.. You yourself are trying to be specific, but what you are doing is exhibiting your inability to think straight. 38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Lack of forgiveness is not of God because it is against LOVE. Sometimes you just might be surprised on what your heart will tell you and what may or may not be false. priority over submission to a bishop? He evidently does not realize that learning the full and true Faith as it is given to us by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church takes priority over obedience to him. Or maybe St.Thomas Aquinas? One is either Catholic or not. Nor would there have been the initial miracles to report at Lourdes, France if people did not flock to the miraculous spring. Unfortunately, they do for that fakery-or demonic trickery- in a small Bosnian village). I live less than one mile from where Maureen Kyle-Sweeney was previously receiving messages and visits from heaven. You are presenting one of his objections as the conclusion (Therefore, a Superior is not to be obeyed in all things). The Bishop of the diocese has requested that no Masses be offered on the property of Holy Love and he has requested that the priests under his jurisdiction do not go there. In addition, there are a number of followers in the area where I live who were irritated by my observations. The messages portray the Father saying that He is the Virgin Mary: "All must know I am the true Holy Trinity, the true Father, the true Son, the true Holy Spirit. This is why Jesus says that our free will is the door to our souls. This tells me the depth of your discernment if you see the piece that Kevin cited as worthwhile. My second article (originally published 11/20/2009): Proclamation on Holy Love Ministries Will Test Hearts and Obedience. I say this from no sense of prophecy. Upon reflection through your article, I realized that this wholly supports a lot of my experience. Hmmm! They say so themselves. The remnant are those who adhere to the Holy Eucharist, adoration, the Magisterium, the rosary. and in fact, the Holy See was consulted on this matter and appears to be with Lennon. The human heart is a metaphor for the core of ones being being open to God. Give me some more points. 3221, back up and read what you just wrote. Laws I have given to you as a road map to Heaven. It is a legal document. Be cautious of what you share about others, knowing that love covers a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8), which means it doesn't highlight or gossip about the failings of others. What would you do then? You do not know what God would do. (6) Even unjust or improper suspensions are legally binding. The remnant are not those necessarily following HLM, but rather those who follow the truths of the Catholic Church with a humble openness to God.If one is doing this, one does not necessarily need HLM to tell them what one already knows. We attend and receive Christ in the Eucharist weekly by attending mass..this article is so sad to me. Whats clear to me is that you NEED HLM to be false. Canonical Church language is very specific, and when a condemnation is issued it is an official canonical document with no ambiguity of language. Not your opinion nor the will of any other non-believer will stop this ministry. His rhetoric is very specific and unique; it is easy to recognize. Then, when Gods authority on earth the Church speaks against the fraud, a number of otherwise good Catholics get caught in the trap. A meeting with Holy Love representatives made it clear that the ministry will not subject themselves to the Catholic Church. Given that he himself may have an all-too human agenda for nixing HLM, and add to that he will not give a reason for his disapproval, and add to that the corruption that now infiltrates the Catholic Church, I am very wary of him. The more simple and single-hearted the soul is, the more I revel in him.". This you quoted falsely. It is the Heart of the Eternal Father. What of the many miracles and increased devotion so many experienced at apparitions site not approved by the Church? In your posting of messages from HLM I answered you point by point. bob v. So glad you turned your life around. It is not inconceivable to me that when tens of thousands of people gather in one place to praise God and pray the Rosary (like at Conyers, or other alleged sites) that perhaps God does indeed manifest Himself there in some greater way regardless of whether or not the visionary is authentically representing Him; and that therefore people will leave those places with some kind of sign, greater awareness, spiritual healing,etc.. Would you add to your intentions, please, that 3221 refrain from using such vulgar language as 3221 used above Let me tell you something else, Kevin, while you are d_______ with proper canonical procedure? and offer these thoughts. Some take them in but then spit them out never assimilating them. It implies that everything is OK and anything goes. If the bishop were to state that no credibility can be given to HLM messages, he would, in effect, be disavowing the teachings of the Catholic Faith, as the messages of HLM ARE those deep and ancient truths of Catholicism. I enjoy visiting holylove and believe that it is for all faiths just as Mary has appeared in Cairo. If any Catholic supports this activity because their bishop tells them to do so is in error and not obedient to Christ. If you want to go to a site that is true, go to Fatima or the approved sites , but try to really discern what is true and not true. You must digest them for any positive effect. Thank you. 1) Maureen Sweeney-Kyle professes the Catholic faith. Though Im not overly fond of such, I do find the work of research and fact checking beneficial to building apologetical muscle. However, my experience there (quite unexpected) threw me into 19 years of anxiety, stress, and doubt. The Bishop has spoken after an investigation of Holy Love, as requested by Pope Benedict XVI. What do you find erroneous? Who has the words of eternal life? 3221 believes that St. The organization has been at odds with the Catholic Church almost from the start. I just read the 18: 17-18). As the pastor of the Diocese of Cleveland his oversight certainly includes what is identified as ecumenical in that the faithful of the diocese cannot be encouraged or permitted to participate in any group or organization whose beliefs or practices contradict the teachings of the Church in faith and morals. No, it does not. You would be an excellent addition. The apparitions are real. The maxim is usually something along these lines: there are bad people in the Church today.. This place teaches nothing but how to lead souls to salvation. I would love to, Ive been going thru a dry spell and I think this could be the very thing I need right now, I believe I have this book I just need to find it. Another person said that her fallen-away Catholic friend that once ridiculed the site became a believer. Sad but true. They call evil good and good evil (cf Isaiah 5:20). The rcspiritualdirection site was founded by Dan Burke, who works for EWTN and is executive editor of National Catholic Register EWTN newspaper. People bring their holiness with them, so prayers and love of God is usually present. ( I keep asking the following question but I never get an answer from the scoffers who write here: If your bishop tells you that the Holy Eucharist is only God during Mass, so disregard the Sacred Species otherwise, will you do so so that you can feel truly obedient?) Catholic Exchange is a project of Sophia Institute Press. You spoke earlier of no proof that Bishop Lennon is heretical. The bishop has an obligation to pastor his people and protect and nourish their faith. I prayed for you at Mass this morning as well. Im officially done (I think) discussing this with 3221. In the Summa, Aquinas explains that If the Faith is endangered a subject ought to rebuke his prelateeven publicly. But until then, we just have to be patient. Do you have information or thoughts about the apparitions that supposedly occur at the site in Alabama? I am so sorry that I so disturb your peace. But, alas, Im not a writer. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith, and this is in opposition to what continues to happenor rather not happenin most Catholic dioceses of the United States. Thomas T. is my father. If he is silent on the issues mentioned above this would explain his aversion to HLM which teaches the Catholic Faith in its traditional wholeness. At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. I do not speak for the sake of speaking but to instruct and guide., If you choose not to listen, the future does not bode well for your country or for you yourselves. Take what I said in all my responses to your points and show them to any theologically sound priest and you will find out that it all is clear Catholic doctrine. and was not very well in many ways. And soon the lengthy messages that Sweeney dictated into a tape recorder began denouncing the Catholic Church; others commented on political details of the day. Heres a good article from the the Catholic Herald in the U.K. about Marian apparitions and disobedience. She refused to recant that she was hearing voices directing her to do such and such. We reply: They lost nothing at all. The above alone constitutes sufficient evidence for the constat de non supernaturalitate judgment of Bishop Lennon. Let me begin by quoting St. Thomas of Aquinas from the Summa: Obedience is a part of justice, one of the four cardinal virtues, which, are, in turn, subordinate to the theological virtues of Faith, Hope and, Charity. 3) s/he firmly believes that s/he is hearing the actual words of the saints, the Blessed Virgin Mary, Jesus, and God the Father. I have, in fact, looked at the messages and there is much false and questionable material contained in them. Holy Love 37137 Butternut Ridge Road, North Ridgeville, OH 44039 Sitemap, The Way to Heaven Through the Chambers of the United Hearts, Topical Studies & Additional Valuable Resources, Children of the United Hearts Association, Defending the Mission, Ministry and Apparitions, https://www.holylove.org/wp-content/uploads/Holy%20and%20Divine%20Love%20Messages%20-%20God%20the%20Fathers%20nuances%20and%20depth%20for%20each%20of%20the%20Ten%20Commandments%206%2024%20to%207%2013%202021.mp3, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA, HLM Intro-video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk, HLM 5min Overview Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk). I just read the decree and it is not a canonically official condemnation as you so want to think. do something new. She is within the parameters of canon law. Doctrine is doctrine no matter who is sharing it. The whole place is deceptive. I ask you to stand with the Church and reserve judgement. William G. Most). Not once did she mention the messages. Any profit from the sale of the Rosary of the unborn is to fund a shelter for unwed mothers. In that consecration to God, we can accept the Cross, help bear the cross, follow the way of the Cross. If Jesus were giving messages on all truth to individuals, the result would not be thousands of denominations going in different directions. There are reasons for this my upcoming book Private Revelation: What Does the Catholic Church Teach? goes into this. I am a clear writermuch more so than many on this blog who have taken it upon themselves to malign something they give clear evidence of being afraid of and need to bash. Youre actually using a theology professor at Notre Dame as an endorsement of an apparition site that has been condemned by a Bishop of the Catholic Church? Weird. That is why we have the Church, so that we dont get led astray by what looks good on the surface. The Church has spoken and, even if one suspects that Bishop Lennon is wrong, he should be obeyed. I have come to ask you some questions to help you to think like citizens of Heaven, not of earth..My brothers and sisters, you must not place OFFICE and AUTHORITY and TITLE above the TRUTH., I, your Eternal Father, call you here. This is not to understand it at all. Her latest books areHoly Hacks: Everyday Ways to Live Your Faith & Get to HeavenandBig Hearted: Inspiring Stories from Everyday Families. It may be coming from an unhinged or manipulative person, or it may be coming from the demons, or it may be coming from some combination of them both. Are the Holy Love messages necessary for salvation? The six-chambered heart clinched it for me! The bishops office of the diocese of Cleveland cautions anyone considering donations to the center. Tell me, is this good and normal? I hesitate to call it from the devil only because I think its equally possible, or even probable, that its simple a case of either an emotionally imbalanced woman (Sweeney) or a shrewd woman seeking notoriety and a very comfortable lifestyle. There was an ultimatum with himembrace Holy Love or you are showing that you dont love/trust him or God. On the surface, everything about the site appears to be Catholic, but they are not Catholic. This IS the teaching of the Catholic Church. Humble soul will hear the voice of God resounding in their hearts, whereas the proud will heap upon themselves blind guides who can only lead them into a pit. @3221: You poor woman or man. As regarding any priests or Bishops who have been going to the site, do you suppose that Bishop Lennons words to them are vague and ambiguous also.forbid members of the clergy of any ecclesiastical jurisdiction to celebrate the sacraments on the site of Holy Love Ministries? Again, I reiterate something said above: the law of non-contradiction still stands. Do not let anyone take away your free will choices.. You pointed out in your article, Patti, that Holy Love Ministries seems Catholic because the site has statues, rosaries, and Catholic prayers. Then, all their gains are lost. Given the distortions, the heresies, and the banal humanistic claptrap that passes for Catholic theology in so much of Catholic catechesis today, the full beauty of Catholic Truth in evidence at Holy Love Ministries stands out in bold relief. And, with lies, he means to convince others and strengthen their belief in HLM. Indeed our free will determines whether or not grace will flow into our hearts. Loyalty to the true Faith comes before obedience to a bishop who is not teaching the full Faith. This latter is considered a false obedience. Von Hildebrand reiterates this. I really dont advise these places for most folks. Then you won't be in a position to judge." Ellen J. There are genuine miracles from Holy Love, and Ive had very powerful miracles there, With assistance from very conservative priests AND an exorcist,, these things proved to be genuine and not diabolical. As with David in Psalm 32, God convicts us so that we can experience forgiveness ( Psalm 32:3-5 ). Not all are holy. Why not cite some more statements from HLM, and give me your interpretations of them? Holy Church HAS spoken. Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. God does not act this way with His Church. Remember, BISHOPS CONDEMNED Joan of Arc. He was sucked into this apparition site and ministry. I just read yesterday about HLMs description of the remnant.. It is your biased opinion reading the messages through the distorted lens of your own biased opinion that concludes what you do. Division comes from Satan himself. God Bless and Mary Keep in Holy Love, We learn (in Church history) that St. Athanasius disobeyed Pope Liberius, St. Godefrey of Amiens and St. Hughes of Grenoble disobeyed Pope Pascal 11. Trust in Him with a contrite, faithful and open heart. The big argument against those who continue to attend HLM is that they are disobeying Bishop Lernnon. One woman credited her fathers conversion from a Sunday church grumbler to attending Mass and saying the rosary daily even two years after his visit to the site. (meaning every wrong that has been done to you). Do you lack the intellectual honesty or courage to allow a free debate or are you just an activist journalist pushing an agenda? This means that pious souls who would be repulsed by crude materialistic greed think nothing of being greedy to know revelations and prophecies. Our Lady gave messages for priests and there were many conversions and charisms. "Consider how Divine Love and Holy Love made Their Wills one with the Eternal Father. I have asked you to SPECIFICALLY point at least one error in HLM teachings. In combination with Marys heart that would make ten chambers. They crave to learn how to deepen in union with Him. We try to live holy lives and follow Gods Will. Very informative. Yes she would, if that bishop loses his authority due to failure to uphold the true Faith. That is exactly what it is. Thank you again. You go right along and obey your bishop ;no matter what and see where it leads you. I must disagree with Thomas in this case as souls are at least equally at stake should people follow a false apparition. After all, He is the one who founded the Church and gave it authority. Our free will gives us the power to allow grace to flow into us THROUGH Mary, or prevent that grace from flowing into us THROUGH Mary. Also, check out Hildebran on the same topic. A six-chambered heart is not an apt metaphor for the heart of God. . Otherwise well meaning people are disenchanted by a perception of a lack of people fulfilling their office(s). Read the sections about primacy of the Faith and when disobedience to bishops is called for. Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. Thank you, Liz. I have been at HOLY LOVE, about 18 times since 2009 and its another true gift from God. I think youre going to have to elaborate on those statements! Yes, if we use our free will to sin,we, in effect, tie Gods Hands. This is a gossip piece with nothing related to the doctrine of the Catholic Church or its Scriptural interpretation. There are bishops and mystical theologians who say HLM is profound theology. These Ten Commandments are embodied in Holy Love - to love Me above all else - and to love your neighbor as yourself. Holy Mother Church is indeed wise. I have been to the Holy Love site and love it and feel peace there. She means hold no grudges, do not withhold forgiveness no matter what someone does to you. There are none. I am proving, however, that we shouldnever say never. Do not take what St. Ignatius says out of context. To those who were curious, I have received a response from The Wanderer to my request for the citation in their publication that would verify the statement that 3221 said he/she read in The Wanderer (posted elsewhere in these comments as: Mother Teresa and her sisters refused to sit after they had received the Holy Eucharist when their bishop specifically reprimanded them and told them to do so. ps. God bless you all. Sadly, some cannot, or will not, recognize the Shepherds voice (cf John 10:14). Then, it becomes a matter of obeying Catholic authority or thinking you know better. Hildebrand says,If there are only a few persons who belileve the true Faith, they are the Church. (Catholic Apologetics). Jesus or Mary? Its what the evil one does mixing truths and half-truths with false messages. To be condemned CANONICALLY is an official act and there are no grounds for it so the bishopas much as he would like to, I am surecannot do so. Will you gain fruit from disobedience to the bishop? (See Baglios book for all the stuff they can and cannot do). Also, what you interpreted about those messages shows that your thinking is clearly boggled. He would need there to be so in order to be freed up to CANONICALLY FORBID Catholics from going there. In an article on Apparitions/Private Revelations the EWTN.com website Colin B. Donovan, STL explained that the first responsibility of the faithful is to remain established in the faith, in the sacraments and in communion with the Pope and bishops. Just like many others, Im aware of what has been in the mediaand Ive read the letters between Bishop Lennon and Holy Love Ministries as well. The founders and visionary claim it is ecumenical and therefore does not fall under Catholic Church authority. In addition, there are a number of followers in the area where I live who were irritated by my observations. Please understand that I speak to you as one martyred for the Truth of private revelation despite evidence to the contrary. He/She obviously doesnt get the point. Read it again with the understanding that canonically ite is a warning, not an official condemnation, for if it were that the word would be used. Then came a time of upheaval. the Bishop. . Yes, all are encouraged to pray it and I know an Episcopalian minister who used to pray it, to her credit; but, it is a Catholic prayer. After the fateful Easter, the cross was removed from the field and Marino withdrew a request to build a 10,000-seat chapel and a seven-story, cross-shaped hotel. Yet, if everyone had awaited an official pronouncement from the Church, the 60,000 people that witnessed the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, Portugal would have stayed home that day. I dont claim to be holy and without sin. He is succeeding in making people such as yourself to turn away from the Church and convincing you all that YOU are the faithful ones! Read works written by St. Thomas Aquinas. God answers prayers. Were they standing with truth? If the apparatitions turn out to be true then you will have ignored them for a false reason, which does not seem to bother you. Bishops, as in the case of England, have led entire countries astrayOur belief is in Christ and his Church, not in the changing opinions of bishops. Again, what Our Mother says here is the teaching of the Catholic Church. In his decree of November 11, 2009 Bishop Lennon made it clear that because of a number of issues it was necessary to forbid priests to celebrate the sacraments at the site of the Holy Love shrine and that the faithful are admonished to cease gathering there. An excellent website in which a Catholic theologian evaluates Marian apparitions is catholicplanet.com/apparitions. ************************************, (11/24/12-BLESSED VIRGIN MARY) They were also there in Christs day. How can something be holy and good if it allows and even helps its people justify something so wrong. I know. This is so sad that people run after these private revelations that bring some notoriety to a person in need, while the Fatima message is no longer preached. Most of the ones that I know now reject it. I will have these Rosary Beads Blessed by a Priest so they will be legitimate. To this day my daughter recites the rosary daily and every possible chance Adoration If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. By the logic used here, since Joan was disobedient for continuing to claim her apparitions were real, and so she was in the wrong for listening to demonic voices. I referenced the Sister Magdalena of the Cross post from your website about six hours ago (close to the bottom of this page). Im still awaiting word from the Mother Teresa Center. Refuse to gossip or speak negatively about anyone, ever (Ephesians 4:29). It was a game changer for me. 6/29/93 from Our Lady: Forgive everything and you will not be in error. This is contrary to our faith. I used to look through the Holy Love website to try to familiarize myself with some of the messages so I could effectively discuss it with my friends who are avid devotees. I think the Decree speaks for itself and there is no need to elaborate upon this matter. Peace to all. He told me of local corruption of the priests and said, What else could we do? I pointed out that Jesus would certainly have his way with his Church, so I did not believe a true apparition would be forced out of the Church. It was Easter, 1993, and the temperature was cold enough to keep the thick layer of snow that fell the previous night from melting. Often genuine sites that are later approved by the Church are frowned upon by the bishop under which they serve. She investigated and learned that there were enough red flags concerning these messages that it would not be prudent to visit. A non-believer can simply read the older warning messages, dated much before any occurrences, and see for himself. Very powerful miracle happened to me. It has never been the Churchs position that free will keeps a soul from holiness. If this is of God, it wont go away, as we are told in scripture. HLM is doing the job that the bishops should be doing, that is teaching the ancient truths and deep theology of the CCC. However, alleged visionaries, mystics and those who follow them MUST obey and follow the authority that Jesus established in His Church. They did not because they could not. It is clear to me that you are sincerely searching for the truth, and that you in no way harbor contemptuous mockery in your heart toward those who have found spiritual strength and guidance at Holy Love Ministries. I pray for friends of mine that also are addicted to the place and see nothing odd, no internal warnings at all, let alone disobeying the Bishop. Anyone who goes to HLM is not disobedient. Excellent points Elizabeth. Doctrinal fidelity as a mark of authenticity is sometimes an obvious sign, sometimes not so obvious. If Rome asked this bishop to send a report and based upon his observations, this is not a true apparition site, best to obey. I admonish the faithful of the Diocese of Cleveland to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purpose on the site ofHoly Love Ministries and declare that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland and may not legitimately use the name Catholic or represent itself as a Catholic group, Lennon said in his decree. The person who wrote you quoted several canons about the rights of the faithful, but has ignored canon 223 which speaks of taking into account the common good of the Church and the obligation of ecclesiastical authority, in view of the common good, to regulate the exercise of the rights of the faithful. Why is it hard for you to grasp the Bishops attempt to stop his sheep from going to a place that has been deemed not of supernatural origin? Elsewhere, in these responses, I posted The Wanderers response which was something to the effect that The Wanderer is not indexed but they could not recall such a story so they were unable to confirm that information. 1) S/he doesnt believe that the Bishop actually has condemned the site, therefore. Thank you for this article on Holy Love. It was sent to us by an HML devotee! At Holy Love, just being outside Church authority is warning enough for me. It was indeed not the last word about Medjugorie. Blessed Mother is helping her children to return to God before its too late. Stay away so you not fall into a deep personal devotion and love for Blessed Mother and and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. I feel this person is a prime example of almost a brainwashing of sorts. It is just that the handwriting is on the wall for all to see, if they choose to look. The math simply doesnt add up! Whether or not an organization is under the authority of a diocese it still is free to share Catholic doctrine. The Most Reverend Richard Lennon Bishop of Cleveland. Several members of Sweeneys small ministry became disillusioned and left.. IN TH sUMMA. Loyalty to Christ means loyalty to the fullness of the Faith in its pristine splendor. Look it up in the CCC. I had not used the word condemnedincorrectly, butthe term is an older one and not in common current theologicaluse. If we do not cooperate with Gods Will through free will choice, we sin. Guard me against all evil. The Bishops role is to guide his sheep ~ us. btw, who is publishing your book? She has acted within canon law. Have I seen you over at http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/ ? Heres the site: http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/home/. Lots of praise from Jesus and the Blessed Mother is heaped on those who attend Holy Love as being the remnant faithful, the special ones, fighting the good fight against the wicked Church, priests and bishops in these dark times. Im a devout Roman Catholic 34 yr. old mother of 4 and my kids and I love Holy Love.
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